Mr Elinoff,
First of all, I don't generally say things here about people that I wouldn't say to them personally and my opinions have not at all changed based on what you say above. However, just like you, I'd prefer if you didn't over-reach in how you characterize what I've said.
Second, this is just business. I know that you have put many hours into this, and assuming you are a sincere participant in the movement, I would understand why it might be frustrating finding that people have strong critiques of your work. But as John suggested, many of those here, more so than myself, are veterans of the movement and their comments are worthy of your consideration.
Elinoff said:
I am not a sensationalist and a few "teaser" trailers out there have caused people to "hate" on me. I hope everyone waits until the movie is released. As for being on Alex Jones's show, of course. He asked me for interviews, and I accepted.
This statement seems an attempt to dismiss certain critical comments above by shrugging them off. Are you trying to suggest that you had nothing to do with the teaser trailers. Your statement above seems intended to put distance between you and them as though they were the product of hyperactive fans. You admit that people are having problems with the trailers and yet you don't suggest why and imply that you couldn't image the reason.
I'm too deep into this movement to wait until the movie comes out before I start having concern for what you have on the table here. The promotion is its own entity, website, videos, spam messages, and that does reflect on the nature of the project and the character and intent of those promoting it. The wait and see attitude doesn't do this movement any good. And if your promotion makes the movie look like a certain product that it isn't, you've already alienated a certain part of your potential audience. Is this movie for NWO conspiracy fan boys or for a wider audience?
And I have big problems with Alex Jones. If he wanted me to be on his show I would refuse, not that he's ever want that. There are many in the movement who do not have a positive opinion of him including me. Here's me on the subject and not feeling patient or collected.
http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/1415?replies=...
As I suggest above, this project APPEARS to be aimed at the AJ fan base that I summarize at that link. And your past movie about the NWO feeds right into my assumption that share a lot in common with that set. So it seems natural that you would be on his show. He likes what you are producing. That's a red flag to me. I might understand taking advantage of his promotional machine while still thinking it imprudent as, to many, it colors the intent behind your new project.
I am a good person with good intentions and this forum I read made me out to be something I am NOT. I am really insulted here. Why didn't you contact me with your concerns? Most don't credit or source in a trailer during the clip, I can add it in the side and I certainly will now. Have things changed?
The issue with John seems to be resolved. Memory is fallible and mistakes happen. Skeptical people can get ahead of themselves. I doubt that comments on this forum could really very greatly impact the reach of your project. They don't show up in the top 20 on a Google search, for instance.
And yes, you are most likely a good person with good intentions. I don't know you and have a well developed and prudent skepticism about anyone in the movement who produces a project with any reach. And I don't feel that my skepticism need be private. This forum is one in which we address issues in the movement that others find distasteful or might find offensive. Some of us intend to root out problems before they become emergencies.
As for Alex Jones, please do not connect me to this guy. I am not Alex Jones and my films have no connection to him. As for links to other sites, we are still building out the site. I sense such tone on the forum that is so repulsive, I question what is going on here. I was intimidated by the FBI during the making of this project and have been threatened by many people, but never did I imagine that I would see this said about me or my films, which are not even out yet, on some forum from a bunch of people who have never met me, don't know anything about me or what my project has involved
As I suggest above, you've already connected yourself with Alex Jones. He is the most explicit purveyor of the NWO conspiracy theory, you have touched on the same issue and been on his show several times. But it was not my intention to tie you to him. As I said, your movie will appeal most to his fans, and it may be that due to your own political and historical views that you don't see how much you limit your reach when you include this line of thinking which many here consider overly simple.
I hope you have separate John's lapse of memory and my comments above. Sorry you are repulsed. It might do you some good to understand why we are concerned. As this is just business, I'm not so concerned with your repulsion. There is a difference in how I'd approach an average truther with your beliefs and someone producing a movie series that may have a big impact on the movement. You need to be ready to take a licking, and from people far less reasonable and thoughtful than those here.
I also never said it was "never before seen footage." It is footage that hasn't been available on the internet and I paid a lot of money to get this back online. I am working on building an online "history commons" style video news resource center for the movement. It is taking a lot of my time.
I can't find that quote above, and you have gone to some trouble to suggest that this is all going to be shockingly new. "A major shift is about to be made in the movement of truth and the revolution is going to be amplified." And that's not the only grandiose statement you make. As I suggest in the post above, I see a promotional intent behind these kind of statements that reminds me a lot of other WAC, AJ, and Loose Change promotions, none of which I consider particularly responsible. I do find your promotions to be sensationalistic.
Further, while I have suggested in the post above that these clips will have value independent of your movie, and that makes me happy to hear that you are going to be making them available online, like Nick, none of those in the trailer are unfamiliar to me. I suppose you would say that I should wait for the movie. And I will certainly be watching it. But it's also fairly standard from a promotional standpoint to include a bit of the good stuff in the trailer. I remain interested yet skeptical.
I am really surprised to see all this negative commenting and talk about me and my films form strangers passing judgment on a few teasers.
This is asking for some sarcasm, but I'll keep things light. So, you are trying to suggest that you know nothing about the disagreements internal to the movement? And you are surprised that people who have been involved in this movement for years might have some reasons to be critical of your project? We don't know you personally, but once again, this is business. Some of the people here are movement elders, and are more than just strangers. And we have every right and even responsibility based on our experience to evaluate your promotional efforts and what they say about your project. We are all waiting to see the movie. You can expect a great deal more criticism at that point from many directions. And it may be that people here will love it and find their initial skepticism to be incorrect, in which case we would most likely say so. But this issue is far too serious to act like this is some kind of big mutual support group.
For your information, aside from the threats I have received, this project is dear to me. I have worked very hard and long on this and YES, I realize that the first teaser trailers were sensationalized, but they are TEASERS designed for buffs that don't pass judgment. Drop the egos, people. Wait until you see the film, not the trailers. We are releasing different trailers for different purposes. Some don't mind it as much. If I was sensationalizing the victims, that would be one thing. But those teasers are talking about a very large set of issues, way outside of 9/11. In fact, the information in those teasers is primarily on drug running, which is why we angled it in that manner.
Most of the people here have received threats of one kind or others. And most of the people here feel very committed in one way or another to the movement. Most of the people here have at one time or another worked very hard, maybe even harder than you, on advancing the movement.
As I said, this is business. I can't imaging that anyone's ego is engaged in this critique. And as I said, we aren't going to wait to see the movie to evaluate what you have now confirmed to be sensationalistic promotion meant to target the choir more than create an aura of legitimacy.
I apologize if I offended you in some way here, but lets move forward in a productive manner, and I HOPE you can watch my films and give it a chance, before the judgmental criticism continue on the internet from fellow "truthers."
Business. No offense taken, and as John was quick to make clear, we are all ready to be wrong when we are. But I really think you are missing something significant about the movement if your think that truthers shouldn't criticize one another. That suggests a 'big tent' attitude that TruthMove and many of those who post here are firmly against. This is a movement of skepticism and critique. We might hope that we can be as civil toward one another as possible, and yet I consider my principles to be far more important than my associations. If you are wrong you are wrong, friend of foe. And if I'm wrong I'll admit it.
Finally, I really do hope for the best here. I want your film to deliver on all the sensationalized promises the promotion has made. I just don't have much hope that someone subscribing to the NWO conspiracy is going to create a document that will appeal to the widest audience. The majority of people in this country think that stuff is nuts, and a lot more at this point than they think 9/11 truth is nuts. Realistically, I suspect that I will consider some of the parts of your series better than others.