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  1. Victronix
    Member

    as if the vast majority of the scientific community is working in collusion to create a worldwide hoax - including Russia and China and the entire industrialized world - that a worldwide environmental crisis is unfolding.

    This is the key difference here between the facts of climate change and other issues questioned by most who tend to question the man-made aspect of climate change:

    1) none of the other issues like 9/11, JFK, FL 800, HAARP, etc are worldwide events that require the involvement of the world scientific community -- thousands of scientists -- but rather, typically involve a single national government (and collusion by other intelligence and government leaders who also benefit) with highly limited and controlled science whose evidence is completely controlled, destroyed or hidden.

    2) none of the other issues like 9/11, JFK, FL 800, HAARP, etc are ongoing events whose evidence is available to everyone all over the world to examine simultaneously using the scientific method and simple tools to measure and analyze. Scientists all over the world can and are investigating and confirming the same findings over the over and over.

    What's sad is that people who have no understanding of science are spreading a broad brush of "it's all a lie" onto everything. Evolution is not a lie. Climate change is not a lie. Many things are not lies for profit, but almost everything is manipulated for profit. Even just the remote potential for human involvement in climate change is a devastating consequence that needs to be addressed, not ignored.

    Unfortunately things like the banker bailout have only contributed to the sense that everything is just cooked up to rob us blind, so it's not surprising that this skepticism exists.

    OTOH, who benefits from the claims that human involvement is a hoax?

    Somehow, the explosion of "Ghost" propaganda (even Edmunds Scientific is selling crap to detect paranormal activity) and such suggests to me that keeping the public awash in hoaxes, or the belief that half of everything is a lie, is benefiting those who need to quickly and easily muddy the waters when it best suits them.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  2. JohnA
    Member

    what do you expect from a society that watches "The History Channel" - and sees nothing but endless marathons of "The Nostradamus Effect" and "UFO Hunters" and "The Bible Code"?

    the only conspiracy i see is to keep americans uneducated and ignorant.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  3. ObiWanKenobi
    Member

    Alex Jones? wtf Why does Alex Jones seemingly crawl his way into almost every thread? Who cares about him?

    Ok JohnA there's just no room for scepticism.

    There's no attempt by upper echelons of society to use this issue as a means of exerting more control over a frightened population.

    I mean did you vote for the United Nations? Or the World Bank, IMF?

    There only seems to be cries of "conspiracy theory" when it's not 9/11.

    9/11 rightfully needs to be thoroughly investigated but there seems to be no room for doubt, scepticism or even dissent about the theory of AGW.

    It's either your with us or against us.

    The do-somethings Vs the damned do nothing denying vested interest viruses.

    Good luck gentlemen.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  4. truthmod
    Administrator

    Top 10 Climate Change Deniers

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbio...

    With the Heartland Institute's annual jamboree for climate deniers in full swing in New York here's my shortlist of people who have done most for the denialist cause - in playing card form.

    Sammy Wilson Northern Ireland environment minister

    Václav Klaus President of Czech Republic

    Steve Milloy Fox News columnist

    Prof Pat Michaels Cato Institute

    Christopher Monckton Former adviser to Margaret Thatcher

    Sarah Palin Governor of Alaska

    James Inhofe Senator for Oklahoma

    Melanie Phillips Daily Mail columnist

    Christopher Booker Sunday Telegraph columnist

    David Bellamy TV presenter

    Posted 3 months ago #
  5. truthmover
    Administrator

    Somehow, the explosion of "Ghost" propaganda (even Edmunds Scientific is selling crap to detect paranormal activity) and such suggests to me that keeping the public awash in hoaxes, or the belief that half of everything is a lie, is benefiting those who need to quickly and easily muddy the waters when it best suits them.

    Spot on.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  6. mark
    Member

    Global warming is a theory the way that gravity is a theory. One need not precisely quantify either to know they are happening.

    Governments are not going to regulate global warming - oil depletion and economic collapse will do much more to reduce greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels than any political promises.

    The climate movement blew it by framing it solely as a need for voluntary (or mandatory) reduction, when the truth is you cannot burn fuels that do not exist. As oil depletion kicks in, there will be less oil to burn each year. Some of the remaining fossil fuels are dirtier - tar sands are the best example - but they're not going to replace the easy to get oil that we've already used.

    Last year, I took Amtrak through Colorado and was impressed by the dead forest near the pass -- the winters there are not as cold as they used to be, so the beetle populations have exploded and have killed off vast tracts of forests. Previously, the cold kept the beetles low enough for the natural processes to handle their presence, but now it's out of balance.

    I have never run into anyone who spouts "global warming is a theory" who has much first hand knowledge of ecology or agriculture. Stable climates are needed for growing food. The fact that "civilization" developed was largely because the ice ages had ended - at least for a while. Warmer winters in cold places can result in early heat that causes flowering plants to get confused, and then the late frosts zap the flowers, resulting in no food. If you like to eat food from farms this should be of interest.

    Koyaanisqatsi.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  7. truthmod
    Administrator

    World definitely out of balance.

    If the environmental movement is involved in dis/misinformation or has been influenced by "agents," the aim has obviously been to play down the urgency and reality of the environmental crisis and to split the movement into niche issues rather than allow a powerful, united and righteous movement to coalesce around the clearest and most alarming facts (which are all intertwined):

    Overpopulation
    Mass Extinction
    Resource Depletion
    Global Warming

    Posted 3 months ago #
  8. ObiWanKenobi
    Member

    What sceptic gets a page on Google like this?

    http://www.google.com/landing/cop15/

    Posted 2 months ago #
  9. JohnA
    Member

    why do you think that is? a global conspiracy? illuminati infiltration of Google? what's your point? LOL!

    you make it sound like all things must be equal. you make it sound like a...shudder... conspiracy.

    the fact of the matter is that 'sceptics' have failed to pursuad the legitimate scientific community. the overwhelming scientific evidence - and the vast majority of scientific consensus - all points in one direction.

    what is it about this that you do NOT get?

    are you saying that all tin-foil-hat theories in the minority should be elevated to equal status with actual scientific evidence?

    should we give Alex Jones equal time to Stephen Hawking?

    what the fuck?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  10. Victronix
    Member

    Stephen who?

    That's part of the problem. It seems that most of Alex Jones' followers reject all science unless it supports a view against the government's view, Alex's view.

    Posted 2 months ago #

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