Mark Roberts goes after TruthMove
http://www.911blogger.com/node/5382?page=1
I agree. The site looks good. Unfortunately the content is amateurishly inaccurate. You seem to have simply thrown the same old stuff together without checking any facts. Every part of your "Evidence" section contains numerous egregious errors and falsehoods.
This is your "truth?" The same b.s. in a different package? Error after error after error?
Well, I give you credit for at least believing that there were real hijackers who wanted to kill us.
You guys are big on psychology. At Ground Zero you filmed me for a while, then edited to film to show me telling people that I HAD evidence, but you deleted all the parts in which I actually GAVE the evidence. What does that say about your approach to the "truth?"
After observing and listening to me for a while, you criticized my approach – a valid criticism. When people lie egregiously at Ground Zero, fail to listen to corrections, and say they're proud of their ignorance, I'm not shy about letting them know it. But when I asked all three of you to name one thing I had said that was wrong, you couldn't. Please think about that.
Here are brief comments on some of the site content.
Today's headline is a quote from Christian fundamentalist Pat Robertson:
Robertson predicts ‘mass killing’
“I’m not necessarily saying it’s going to be nuclear,†he said during his news-and-talk television show “The 700 Club†on the Christian Broadcasting Network. “The Lord didn’t say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that.â€
Okay, what's that doing on a site that's supposedly devoted to the truth? Should I expect an Alex Jones quote tomorrow? Does Pat Robertson have a record of accurate predictions? You're into psychology. Tell us why your headline is a loon making claims of mass killing, "something like" "nuclear."
In your 9/11 section, you list
Eleven pieces of evidence you should know about:
First of all, these are eleven claims. You do link to an evidence section, but I bring this up because much of what I do is point out how badly people in the truth movement blur the line – and sometimes aren't aware of the line at all – between claims, questions, evidence, and facts.For over an hour, NORAD air defense failed to intercept any of the hijacked aircraft. Fighter jets are commonly “scrambled†and reach out-of-contact or off-course aircraft within 10-20 minutes.
You don't mention that the most notice NORAD had of any of th flights was 9 minutes. Two of the flights they didn't know about until after they had crashed. Please make that distinction. I know that you don't want to be misleading, right?
Please provide your evidence that NORAD, prior to 9/11 "routinely reached out of contact or off course aircraft within 10-20 minutes. The only NORAD interception of such an aircraft over the CONUS (not an offshore ADIZ intercept) in the decade prior to 9/11 that I'm aware of is of Payne Stewart's plane, which took 81 minutes to reach. If you are not aware of others, please make that correction. And again, NORAD had no chance to intercept the planes on 9/11 because they didn't know where they were.
Several war games were being conducted on 9/11, including mock-hijackings and plane crashes.
This must be corrected. NEADS, which was responsible for the air defense of the northeast, was not running any exercises on 9/11. There was an exercise scheduled at 9:00, but it was canceled when the report of flight 11 came in.
There were no hijacking drills conducted anywhere by NORAD anywhere in the U.S. or Canada on 9/11. None. Please do your homework and make that correction.
The "plane crash" drill you refer to was not a "war game." It was a casualty and disaster-preparedness drill involving an imagined accidental crash of a small plane. Please make that correction. All this information is readily available to the public.
There were multiple, specific warnings from foreign governments of impending attacks including potential targets and the names of several alleged 9/11 hijackers.
Were there "multiple, specific warnings" about potential attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, (and other D.C. targets) that consisted of actionable intelligence? Credible threats? Warnings of imminent attacks using aircraft? Not that I've seen.
As the 9/11 commission report points out, the U.S. did miss clues, such as doctored passports. We even gave a visa to KSM, although he was on the terrorist watch list (he didn't enter the US). If you want to show other negligence, though, you have to put any "warnings" into context with all the other intelligence being processed at the time. I don't excuse screw-ups. Neither do I excuse taking things out of context to try to support a claim.
Nearly every member of the 9/11 Commission had a major conflict of interest.
You'll need to define "conflict of interest," then provide evidence that such conflicts actually existed, rather than "looking funny" on paper. Remember, most of the investigating was done by law enforcement and intelligence agencies long before the commission was formed. After the commission was formed, most of the investigating was done by the commission staffers, not by the appointed members. You link to a site that lists the commissioners and their alleged conflicts, some of which consist of serving on House and Senate intelligence committees. Yeah, we wouldn't want people with that kind of experience involved in...an intelligence investigation. And Fred Fielder was "deep throat?" How many deep throats were there?
The Commission Report ommitted [sic] and altered evidence that contradicted the official story.
You'll need to show that what you define as omissions are relevant and would have affected the outcome of the investigation. Mentioning Griffin's list won't do. Most of his "115" are laughably irrelevant or outright false. What evidence was altered?
Insider trading (put options on American, United and other 9/11-affected companies) was never properly investigated. The SEC could trace who made these trades.
Never properly investigated? According to whom? There was a huge investigation into these claims, and no suspicious activity was found at all. I recommend http://www.911myths.com/html/put_options.html for a brief examination of these issues. From the 9/11 commission report:
"A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10...
Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10th was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades."
Please make that correction.
The deep involvement of Pakistani Intelligence (ISI) was never officially acknowledged or investigated.
First, you'll have to prove ANY involvement of the ISI, much less "deep involvement." No one has done so. Please make that correction. How do you know the claims weren't investigated?
Some prominent travelers such as San Francisco mayor Willie Brown and top Pentagon officials were warned not to fly on 9/11. Who warned them? What did they know?
From 9/11myths:
"Brown's warning: In the five years since 9/11, the question of how then-San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown got a warning about flying that day continues to live on in the blogosphere -- and conspiracy theories abound.
"The latest version is that Condoleezza Rice alerted me personally,'' Brown said this week. "It's all part of the ongoing myth."
The "myth" has its origins in the night before the attacks, when Brown called "my security people at the airport'' to check on his flight to New York the next morning.
What the mayor got from his source was a warning that Americans should be concerned about traveling.
Willie being Willie, he paid no attention -- and was actually waiting for his ride to the airport when he turned on the TV and, like millions of other Americans, watched as the World Trade Center crumbled.
Exactly how the warning popped up remains a mystery to this day.
It might have had something to do with a little-noticed State Department memo issued a week before that went out in a routine press briefing -- and that former Secretary of State George Shultz himself received -- warning that Americans may be the target of an attack from extremist groups "with links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda organization."
The warning, however, dealt primarily with U.S. military bases in Japan and South Korea -- clearly the wrong targets."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2...On the Pentagon officials:
http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon_officials.ht...Please make those changes.
Until 9/11/01, no steel frame building had ever collapsed due to fire.
Absolutely false. See pages 72-77 of my paper 'WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement' http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.doc (.doc file) or http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf
Then please make the correction. I shouldn't have to state this, but WTC 1, 2, and 7 were unusual buildings that sustained unusual damage and fires. If you want to make claims about them, you need to address what happened to THOSE buildings.
With only moderate fires and no major structural damage, WTC Building 7 imploded at 5pm into a tidy pile of rubble.
Outrageously false. See the entire paper listed above, and make the corrections. Why don't you give a damn?
The collapse of the towers and WTC 7 all exhibited characteristics of CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
Not according to the experts on the scene, not according to the audiovisual and seismic recording devices, and not according to all the investigators. There is absolutely zero evidence for this contention. See the NIST report, and Protec's paper "A critical analysis of the collapse od WTC towers 1, 2, and 7 From an Explosives and Conventional Demolitional Industry viewpoint. http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBl...
Several FBI investigations which could have uncovered the 9/11 plot were squashed and sabotaged by key FBI officials.
The "19 terrorists" list turned over by Mossad? One story in Die Zeit that was picked up by other papers. Was this ever confirmed?
Robert Wright, who worked during the Clinton Administration, complained that investigations were prematurely shut down. What's your suggestion?
You don't mention her by name, but Colleen Rowley referred to a climate of hesitancy among FBI officials in the wake of disasters such as Waco and Ruby Ridge. She does not claim that bad decisions fostered by this climate were the result of an attempt not to investigate terrorism.
In September, 2000, Neo-Con think tank, “Project for the New American Century†(PNAC) acknowledged that their geostrategic goals to control the Middle-East would be long and difficult to achieve “absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.†PNAC members included Bush Administration insiders such as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Libby and Perle.
I'm no fan of Neo-Cons, but if you think that's what the PNAC report says, you clearly haven't read it. It's not very long. Please read it and make your corrections
There are many historical precedents of “false flag†and state sponsored terrorism. Operation Northwoods was a top secret U.S. plan in the 1960s to carry out a campaign of terror, including blowing up airplanes, and blame it on Cuba as a pretext to invade and overthrow Castro.
You're using Northwoods, a memo of which part was approved by the Joint Chiefs, and which did NOT call for the killing of U.S. civilians, and which was summarily rejected by the government, as an example that the government would kill thousands of its own people? Please explain your logic. Better yet, just think about it and make the corrections. At bare minimum, don't imply that Northwoods was a plan to murder Americans, and note that it was neither conceived, promoted nor approved by the civilian administration.
Is Northwoods, then, your best example of the USG 's supposed will to attack its own people? Is that it? Really?
I didn't look at much more of your site, but I did notice under "Assassinations" a comment that you think the crash of Paul Wellstone's plane was suspicious. It always baffles me that the same people who clamor that the NTSB should have been more involved in the 9/11 investigations, say that the NTSB investigation of Wellstone's crash is a sham.
You have some good flickr photos, but some of the captions are very inaccurate.
Finally, you said about me, "We've heard his story now, and we just don't get it."
It's very simple: I don't like it when people lie about 9/11, when they exonerate the terrorists, falsely accuse others of mass-murder, say the FDNY was in on it and fail to read any of the reports they claim to dispute.
I really don't like it when they do that at Ground Zero. Got it?
I'll check in with you in a week to see how you're progressing with your research and corrections. You're welcome to contact me at nyctours@gmail.com