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Bernie Sanders for President (43 posts)

26. BrianG
    Member

    We'll see how it goes. President Obama has done much to engender disillusionment, apathy, and cynicism among young voters. Are we trashing Sanders with a premature cynicism? I don't know.

    I do know that Dr. Jill Stein has labored mightily to get the Green Party on the ballot in more and more states.

    My opinion is that Hillary has been so much involved over the last 30 years in creating the world as it is today, that voting for her is a vote for more of the same. She can't even conceive of her own criminality.

    Should Sanders fall, Jill Stein will still be there. In California, we need have no fear that the Democratic nominee will lose. We are thus free to vote for Dr. Jill Stein, the best presidential candidate you're likely to see in your lifetime.

    Posted 8 years ago #
27. truthmod
    Administrator

    It's Hillary 49.8, Bernie 49.6 as I write this. This is a win for Bernie, no matter what the media is going to say.

    Little Separates Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in Tight Race in Iowa
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/us/bernie-sander...

    The close vote means that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders are likely to split Iowa’s share of delegates to the Democratic convention, and Mr. Sanders will be able to argue that the Iowa result was a virtual tie.

    ...

    Clinton advisers said late Monday night that Mr. and Mrs. Clinton were discussing bringing on additional staff members to strengthen her campaign operation now that a pitched battle may lie ahead against Mr. Sanders. The advisers said they did not know if a significant staff shakeup was at hand, but they said that the Clintons were disappointed with Monday night’s result and wanted to ensure that her organization, political messaging and communications strategy were in better shape for the contests to come.

    ...

    The results suggested that Mr. Sanders would be a strong opponent of Mrs. Clinton’s for a long time. The voters sent a clear message that income inequality weighed on their minds, with more than one in four Democratic voters saying the issue was the most important facing the nation, according to surveys of voters leaving the polls.

    Mr. Sanders’s strong performance in Iowa was a significant milestone in a campaign in which he began 40 percentage points behind Mrs. Clinton when they both declared their candidacies last spring. Many Democrats privately dismissed Mr. Sanders as a left-wing fringe candidate who had no real chance of defeating Mrs. Clinton anywhere other than his home state of Vermont, where his democratic socialist politics were not as exotic as many Democratic Party leaders found them.

    But Mr. Sanders proved to be a rigorously disciplined candidate, delivering the same powerful message inveighing against establishment politics, Wall Street and the benefits enjoyed by the wealthy and the well-connected.

    Posted 8 years ago #
28. truthmod
    Administrator

    BULLSHIT. Pathetic corporate media crap. Nearly any "journalist" who works for the NYT, WaPost, CNN, and all the rest are obviously going to be supporters of Hillary.

    With the DNC and the mainstream media pulling for her she could still only eke out a win by .3%, with the deciding delegates coming from coin tosses.

    Crapola.

    Why a ‘Virtual Tie’ in Iowa Is Better for Clinton Than Sanders
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/upshot/how-the-v...

    But in the end, a virtual tie in Iowa is an acceptable, if not ideal, result for Mrs. Clinton and an ominous one for Mr. Sanders. He failed to win a state tailor made to his strengths.

    Posted 8 years ago #
29. truthmod
    Administrator

    Should Millennials Get Over Bernie Sanders?

    http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/...

    But Obama as a candidate may be as close as many of us will ever come to a twenty-something’s ideal politician—the sheer force of that fluid, academically honed intelligence! The nuance and honesty of the race speech! The dancing!—and a comparison of the two on that count yields something very odd. Bernie’s crankiness to Obama’s cool, his age to Obama’s freshness, his nagging to Obama’s rhetorical deftness, his hokiness to Obama’s humor, his gout to Obama’s jump shot: all make for a strangely conservative vision of a youth idol. (Then there’s the awkward fact of the most diverse generation of voters in the country’s history rallying behind another white guy.) I sense a whiff of historical fetishism to the young love for Bernie, a yearning for an imaginary time of simpler, more straightforward politics that aligns with other millennial tendencies toward false nostalgia for past purity, in fashion or food, for instance. The obsession with the banks and the bailout is itself phrased in weirdly retro terms, the stuff of an invitation to a 2008-election theme party. As my colleague Ben Wallace-Wells points out, we voters under thirty have come of political age during the economic recovery under President Obama. When I graduated from college, unemployment was close to ten per cent; it’s now at five. Sanders’s attention to socioeconomic justice is stirring and necessary, but when his campaign tweets that it’s “high time we stopped bailing out Wall Street and started repairing Main Street,” you have to wonder why his youngest supporters, so attuned to staleness in all things cultural, are letting him get away with political rhetoric that would have seemed old even in 2012.

    Posted 8 years ago #
30. truthmod
    Administrator

    I love how the Bernie/Hillary split is revealing all these politicians' allegiances. Cory Booker looks pretty nervous standing next to Clinton in the video below. The attacks on younger women Bernie supporters are insulting and transparent. The masks are coming off the establishment. A woman president doesn't really mean that much. There have been female presidents and prime ministers of many Western nations. I really think Hillary just wants to go down in history. Maybe she wants to show up her husband as well.

    Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright Scold Young Women Backing Bernie Sanders
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/politics/glor...

    Two feminist icons of Mrs. Clinton’s generation made their frustration known over the weekend, calling on young women who view Mr. Sanders as their candidate to essentially grow up and get with the program.

    While introducing Mrs. Clinton at a rally in New Hampshire on Saturday, Madeleine Albright, the first female secretary of state, talked about the importance of electing the first female president. In a dig at the “revolution” that Mr. Sanders often speaks of, she said that the first female commander in chief would be a true revolution. And she scolded any woman who felt otherwise.

    Posted 8 years ago #
31. BrianG
    Member

    Maybe we should elect a president every two years so we can have "historic" firsts more often. Lets elect a Phillipine-American transgender atheist communist for starters, and see how many bases we can cover in the next 30 years.

    Posted 8 years ago #
32. truthmod
    Administrator

    I am a registered green, BTW. I will never vote for Hillary. These establishment people are dismissing us for seeing through Hillary's facade and expressing our righteous anger at the corruption of the political system and the blatant dishonesty. Fuck them.

    I am sure there are Clinton supporters out there impersonating these supposed offensive "Berniebros."

    Bill Clinton, After Months of Restraint, Unleashes Stinging Attack on Bernie Sanders
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/politics/bill...

    Posted 8 years ago #
33. mark
    Member

    I hope a few folks here remember that Ms. Steinem worked with the CIA. I'd be shocked if she was not supporting a third term for the Clintons.

    http://www.namebase.org/steinem.html

    more on the Clintons and their covert connections:

    www.oilempire.us/clinton.html

    www.oilempire.us/hillary.html

    www.oilempire.us/mena-arkansas.html

    www.oilempire.us/wti.html

    www.oilempire.us/cement.html

    (the last two are about HIllary's ties to the hazardous waste incineration industry)

    Posted 8 years ago #
34. truthmod
    Administrator

    DIdn't know about about Steinem's connections. The Clintons appear to be very compromised.

    Clinton's Hill supporters ready to hit Sanders after New Hampshire
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/clinton-san...

    Bernie Sanders and a 'communist' community in Israel
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/bernie-sand...

    Posted 8 years ago #
35. truthmod
    Administrator

    Bernie lost by 5 points and Hillary only got a few more delegates. That's not the story you're going to get from the media.

    No mention of the margin of victory or delegates in this Hillary puff up piece by the NYT:

    Hillary Clinton Beats Bernie Sanders in Nevada Caucuses
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/us/politics/neva...

    Mrs. Clinton’s victory was a serious setback for Mr. Sanders, who campaigned hard in Nevada in hopes that a surge of Latino and black voters would heed his call for a political revolution.

    Posted 8 years ago #
36. truthmod
    Administrator

    These corporate media hacks are really out of touch with reality.

    As News Media Changes, Bernie Sanders’s Critique Remains Constant
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/us/politics/bern...

    Posted 8 years ago #
37. mark
    Member

    Neocon endorses Hillary

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/25/neocon-kagan...

    Posted 8 years ago #
38. truthmod
    Administrator

    How about this headline? Denver Post includes superdelegates to claim that Hillary "tied" Bernie in Colorado. Bernie won the vote 59 to 40%.

    Sanders easily wins popular vote across most of state, but delegate count may mean a tie
    http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29587219/ber...

    Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton by a margin of 19 percentage points in Colorado caucus straw polls this week, but the delegate count is starting to tell a different story.

    Clinton now looks likely to tie the Vermont senator 38-38 in the state's delegate count, according to projections from The Denver Post, Bloomberg Politics and The Associated Press. That includes a potential 38-28 split in Sanders' favor in projections based on Tuesday's preference poll results, plus 10 superdelegates (out of 12) who have committed to Clinton, the former secretary of state.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=colorado+results&#...

    Posted 8 years ago #
39. BrianG
    Member

    I had never heard of this SuperDelegate concept until the last two weeks. Where does this come from? Are Superdelegates more equal than ordinary delegates? From where do they get their SuperDelegate powers? Spider bites?

    I get more disgusted with the Democrats the more I learn about them. I was excited about Dean, I was excited about Kucinich, I was excited about getting Lessig into the debates. They all got screwed.

    Few people get the concept: check the polls in your state. Unless the outcome is a cliffhanger, you are free to vote for your preferred candidate without any concern for "throwing your vote away". Send a message to those who would have liked to have had your vote.

    Posted 8 years ago #
40. truthmod
    Administrator

    Mark, here's what you wrote three years ago:

    And what will Sanders do when the only state he wins is Vermont and Hillary has the nomination, assuming her campaign doesn't melt down?

    Bernie won 22 states and raised $230 million. I am excited to support him again and just like 3 years ago, I believe he can win. He is calling out the military industrial complex in nearly every speech now. I think he deserves our support.

    The cynical/practical perspective says that he will be swindled out of the nomination again (or worse). But maybe that's just an excuse not to get involved and get excited. If that is the case, the more support he gets, the closer he gets to winning, the clearer the swindle, the closer we get to the revolt that I believe we all want.

    Posted 5 years ago #
41. mark
    Member

    OK, I underestimated how many primaries Anyone But Hillary would win. Perhaps more than officially reported, too. But it was obvious Sanders would not get the nomination, my favorite prediction of that came from Black Agenda Report, which called Sanders a "sheepdog" for the left (to keep leftists in line so they'd vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election).

    Sanders last time reaffirmed his support for basing overpriced, unnecessary F-35 war planes in Vermont. He also called for ending fracking while ignoring how it heats New England in the winter. it polls well in a subset of the population but it is pandering.

    www.oilempire.us/sanders.html

    I'm not interested in a "revolt." I prefer consciousness evolution. Revolts rarely accomplish positive outcomes and become excuses for repression. We've tried revolts as a civilization and I'm not impressed with the results.

    One of the Sanders fan clubs is called "Our Revolution," a presumptuous name.

    Posted 5 years ago #
42. truthmod
    Administrator

    Bernie isn't perfect, but I think there's some problem with the fatalism of saying he could never win or the extremity of claiming that he's not far left enough. Criticizing him is totally legitimate, but to totally dismiss him is not helpful. He's talking about some of the issues that matter most to me, in a way that no politician with such a big platform ever has before. I'm not embarrassed to get excited about his campaign, along with millions of other people.

    Here is a more recent article from Black Agenda Report

    Bernie Sanders vs Kamala the Jailer and Her Corporate Backers
    https://blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-vs-ka...

    The best thing that can happen in 2020 is for Bernie Sanders to do fantastically in the primaries and be cheated out of the nomination, once again, thus giving millions of leftish Democrats a chance to do something useful with their lives: leave the party.

    A non-violent revolt is also possible. "Consciousness evolution" could be analogous to a "revolt." I don't mean a violent revolution, but a mass movement of dissent, resistance, and alternatives.

    Posted 5 years ago #
43. mark
    Member

    My view has long been that only pre-approved candidates are allowed to "win."

    I was excited by Dennis Kucinich but never thought he would get the job.

    I don't agree with Senator Sanders saying "ban fracking" while living in a cold state (Vermont) that imports fracked gas. At least admit the situation. I'm not supporting fracking, merely stating that it keeps a lot of cold cities from having their plumbing freeze up in the winter. And it would be nice to hear him say he no longer supports basing F-35 warplanes in Vermont.

    www.whowhatwhy.org/2016/02/16/the-full-story-of-th...

    FEBRUARY 16, 2016 | SHANE O'SULLIVAN THE FULL STORY OF THE SIRHAN SIRHAN PAROLE HEARING Letter from RFK Jr. Supports New Investigation

    [Kamala Harris supports denying parole or investigating the forensic evidence a second gunman actually killed Presidential candidate Robert Kennedy. RFK was killed by a shot fired immediately into his head but Sirhan never was close enough to do that.]

    Posted 5 years ago #

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