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Does World War 3 trump 9/11 as an issue? (4 posts)

  1. JohnA
    Member

    At what point should we drop everything and shift our focus to stopping World War 3?

    • Turkey has amassed 500,000 troups on the border with Iraq - declaring that America's failure in curbing Kurdish terrorists WILL result in a Turkish invasion of northern Iraq.
    • Syria now openly talks about the coming war with Israel this summer, and is currently preparing massive military maneuvers around the Golan heights.
    • Hamas has taken over the Gaza strip. Hamas is widely viewed as an Iranian proxy. Open hostilities with Israel is now a daily occurrence. One must assume that an Hamas/Iranian takeover of Gaza is unacceptable to Israel and viewed with the utmost alarm.
    • It is widely being reported that Hezbollah is active in Iraq. Hezbollah is also widely viewed as an Iranian proxy group. US claims of Iranian involvement in Iraq is intensifying as the US surge fails to produce the desired results.
    • Violence in Iraq has intensified dramatically.
    • Sen. Joseph Lieberman announced that Iran has declared war on the United States and is calling for military strikes against Iran. Lieberman is joined by a chorus of conservative media pundits calling on the United States to strike Iran.
    • Iran continues to defy US and Israeli demands to cease enriching uranium.
    • Sitting republican congressman Ron Paul has openly accused the Bush administration of planning a nuclear strike against Iran. Many other journalists and inside sources have made the same claim of “inside information” regarding a planned nuclear strike.
    • The United States has positioned the largest naval force since the onset of war with Iraq in the Persian Gulf.
    • Pakistan is growing increasingly unstable with public sympathy increasingly viewing the government there as complicit in United States aggression in the region. With a very large Muslim fundamentalist population working within the government itself, the instability of this nuclear-ready nation could virtually overnight evolve into a full blown crisis should the current government fall.
    • The Bush administration faces multiple and compounding political losses at home and abroad. o The loss of the immigration reform bill, o public pressure over the Libby commutation, o a constitutional crisis developing regarding executive privilege and congressional subpoena power, o a vice-president widely viewed as a liability to the Republican party, o dwindling approval ratings, o the loss of both Houses of Congress, o and chaos growing in the Middle East and Eurasia o United States debt at an all time historical high, with no relief in sight. o Increasing propaganda regarding terrorist threats in England, with the recent release of supposed ‘secret’ US documents claiming a summer “Spectacular” is being planned by Al Qaeda. o Various CoG (Continuity of Government) provisions and post-“spectacular” military contingency plans have been designed and put into place in 2006. These plans revolve around the consolidation of power in the executive branch of government – with provisions to attack Iran defined in the event of a terrorist attack against America.

    There are virtually no Americans old enough to remember World War 1. Although there are those among us who wish to compare the current situation to World War 2, (comparing Iran to Nazi Germany) the situation is more akin to World War 1 where imperial interests collided with regional ethnic nationalism, and nation-states were divided along border disputes, and forced to choose-up sides in a regional war.

    Although many Americans remember only one fact (if even that) from their middle-school educations – that Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated therein triggering World War 1, the truth is that the road to war was paved over years of divisive economic policies fueled by imperial demands upon the land. At a certain point, war became inevitable.

    It is my opinion that we have passed that point of no return in American foreign policy. I see no way out. I see no leadership materializing that acts to PREVENT this disaster from occurring. On the contrary, I see all of our national resources lining up for the inevitable.

    Does the average American know the stakes? Does the average American know the facts? Would the average American CHOOSE World War 3 if given the choice? It appears that most ‘progressives’ today believe that a pull-out of Iraq is still possible. And while they toil to end the last war they fail to see the new war with Iran looming on the horizon.

    It appears that all our choices are being made for us.

    America and the world will pay an extremely high price for another World War. The unleashing of American air power and nuclear weapons against Iran may very well trigger a chain of events that could bring the world to the precipice of economic, humanitarian, environmental and political ruin.

    Make no mistake about it. We live in the singular most dangerous moment in the history of mankind. Never before has so much military power resided in the hands of so few. The technology now available to these bellicose few who rule the world is fearsome on a military scale that is simply unimaginable to conceive. The quagmire in Iraq has perhaps given Americans a false sense of security of “conventional wars” being fought “over there” somewhere out of sight. Americans are perhaps in for a rude awakening when they realize that the threshold for ‘conventional’ war morphing into an ‘unconventional’ one is very low, and we could all wake up tomorrow to a nuclear nightmare that has been 60 years in the making.

    World War 3 must be stopped – at all costs. It is the single most urgent issue of our time.

    Many of us have struggled for years to awaken the American public to the facts associated with 9/11. But, perhaps what we are failing to see is that without meaningful activism to ensure that 9/11 is not morphed into a war that kills millions, none of our efforts will have any meaning. Stopping World War 3 is all that matters in the end.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  2. JohnA
    Member

    Musharraf plane fired on: Pakistan security official

    ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf's plane was fired on as it took off on Friday from a military airfield in Rawalpindi, an intelligence officer said, contradicting official denials.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  3. Victronix
    Member

    9/11 truth is the base upon which all the moves of the Bush Admin rest. Exposing truth undermines them and their cover-up. It is one way to make a difference. Future nuke attacks or whatever. People won't play the game anymore when they know they are being lied to.

    I think the important thing is to do what each of us does best and are most inspired by.

    How does one stop a WWar? You would have to take out the Congress and the Bush Admin together to do that, as they can all be considered to end up going along with the false flag when it is put into their faces. So it would mean disabling the entire government in some way, or focusing on waking up the military perhaps, but there are always more bodies to insert into positions.

    The nuke issue seems very real and potential, but at the same time, the nuclear energy industry would tank if a nuke went off in the US, which could happen if we use one elsewhere. That's the natural outcome I would imagine they've considered and would not allow if possible. Of course one can never predict the rationale of fascists.

    I don't think any of our efforts won't have meaning. Each single person we awaken has the potential to become a full fledged activist when stuff goes down because of our work in awakening them. Someone awoke each of us, and here we are. We can't know the outcome of our work until it is seen through. But yes, everyone has to follow what feels right to them . . .


    "It's always too soon to go home. And it's always too soon to calculate effect. I once read an anecdote by someone in Women Strike for Peace, the first great antinuclear movement in the United States in 1963, the one that did contribute to a major victory: the end of aboveground nuclear testing with its radioactive fallout that was showing up in mother's milk and baby teeth. She told of how foolish and futile she felt standing in the rain one morning protesting at the Kennedy White House. Years later she heard Dr. Benjamin Spock - one of the most high-profile activists on the issue then - say that the turning point for him was seeing a small group of women standing in the rain, protesting at the White House. If they were so passionately committed, he thought, he should give the issue more consideration himself."

    Acts of Hope By Rebecca Solnit, OrionOnline.org May 20, 2003

    Posted 16 years ago #
  4. truthmod
    Administrator

    Yes, maintaining optimism and purpose is very important. I think 9/11 is a key issue, of course, but that we need to create more common ground with various anti-war and progressive causes. I think that what turns many people off to 9/11 truth (who are otherwise politically engaged) is that they see it as a very myopic and fanatical thing to focus on.

    Our future as an effective peace and justice movement really depends on our ability to increase alliances, community, and organization for the common cause of truth, reason, and compassion.

    9/11 activists should, as much as possible, provide historical and geopolitical context for the contention that "9/11 was an inside job."

    In the end, 9/11 was just one (very important) event in a larger, societal, economic, a psychological context. Things like the destruction of the environment and a possible World War III are much more important.

    I do not believe 9/11 truth will be an effective, revolutionary movement unless it learns to meaningfully integrate its contentions into a larger historical narrative.

    Posted 16 years ago #

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