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Debunking myths from the 1970's (5 posts)

  1. chrisc
    Member

    A couple of article caught my eye about popular myths about scientists predicting global cooling in the 1970's and about "The Limits to Growth" getting everything wrong, some extracts follow:

    The global cooling mole

    To veterans of the Climate Wars, the old 1970s global cooling canard - "How can we believe climate scientists about global warming today when back in the 1970s they told us an ice age was imminent?" - must seem like a never-ending game of Whack-a-mole.

    Between 1965 and 1979 we found:

    • 7 articles predicting cooling
    • 44 predicting warming
    • 20 that were neutral

    In other words, during the 1970s, when some would have you believe scientists were predicting a coming ice age, they were doing no such thing. The dominant view, even then, was that increasing levels of greenhouse gases were likely to dominate any changes we might see in climate on human time scales.

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008...

    And:

    Cassandra's curse: how "The Limits to Growth" was demonized

    The first book of the "The Limits to Growth" series was published in 1972 by a group of researchers of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology: Dennis Meadows, Donella Meadows, Jorgen Randers and William Behrens III. The book reported the results of a study commissioned by a group of intellectuals who had formed the "Club of Rome" a few years before... They found that, unless specific measures were taken, the world's economy tended to collapse at some time in 21st century. The collapse was caused by a combination of resource depletion, overpopulation, and growing pollution (this last element we would see today as related to global warming).

    There is a legend lingering around the LTG report that says that it was laughed off as an obvious quackery immediately after it was published. It is not true. The study was debated and criticized, as it is normal for a new theory or idea. But it raised enormous interest and millions of copies were sold.

    Yet, the study failed in generating a robust current of academic research and, a couple of decades after the publication, the general opinion about it had completely changed. Far from being considered the scientific revolution of the century, in the 1990s LTG had become everyone's laughing stock.

    Can we think of a conspiracy organized against the LTG group, or against their sponsors, the Club of Rome?

    The question is not unreasonable since the LTG authors were accused in all seriousness by ostensibly respectable researchers to be themselves the acting branch of an evil conspiracy organized by the oil multinationals in order to enslave most of humankind and create "a kind of fanatical dictatorship" (Golub and Towsend, 1977). Could it be that the LTG group were victims, rather than perpetrators, of a conspiracy?

    On this point we can seek an analogy with the case of Rachel Carson, well known for her book “Silent Spring” of 1962 in which she criticized the overuse of DDT and other pesticides. Also Carson's book was strongly criticized and demonized.

    Prophets of doom, nowadays, are not stoned to death, at least not usually. Demolishing ideas that we don't like is done in a rather subtler manner. The success of the smear campaign against the LTG ideas shows the power of propaganda and of urban legends in shaping the public perception of the world, exploiting our innate tendency of rejecting bad news. Because of these tendencies, the world has chosen to ignore the warning of impending collapse that came from the LTG study. In so doing, we have lost more than 30 years. Now, there are signs that we may be starting to heed the warning, but it may be too late and we may still be doing too little.

    http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/3551

    Posted 16 years ago #
  2. NicholasLevis
    Member

    Capitalist free market unlimited growth progress success ideology is so pervasive, so well-mixed with mommy's milk that even those who think the system is one big scam reproduce it in their conspiracy theories. The NWO Satanist Illuminati run the world and lie about everything, but when they call for eternal unlimited growth, it's God's own truth.

    LTG was, of course, vastly underestimating what we face. The land is running out, the water and the oil, the primary forests and the coral reefs, the fish and the animals and even the bees all at once, for entirely predictable and obvious reasons that I believe are still preventable. All we need is an unprecedented planetary and spiritual revolution. The practical side can still be solved without a die-off.

    But it's okay, the new Hybrid-This and the Yuppie-Recycle-That and the Food-for-Biofuels Scam and Green Astroturf PR will carry most of us on a vaguely optimistic cloud, all the way to our collective funeral.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  3. truthmod
    Administrator

    Strange that some people involved in the 9/11 TM don't understand these very simple truths. Just because LTG and others may have been a little off with predictions at times, doesn't mean their analysis isn't sound. We're talking about the collapse of civilization; being a few decades off would still qualify these people as prophets.

    Most of those arguing the other side seem to think that because everything is "fine" (i.e. comfortable) within our little bubbles of the middle class 1st world, therefore all the "alarmism" or "doomsdayism" is wrong. Let's just say that these people don't seem capable of looking at things from other perspectives than their own sheltered, censored view. Try to imagine how "fine" things through the eyes of all the primates who are going extinct, the forests that are disappearing, the dead zones in the sea, and the slave laborers who produce all of our disposable comforts.

    Things ARE NOT FINE.

    They so want to believe that there is a decipherable "plan" to everything and some evil other simply must be neutralized in order to get back to eden. They refuse to acknowledge their own complicity, psychologically and materially, in this irrational, suicidal corruption. It's denial all over again. When you look at the data rationally, pretty much all of the LTG analysis is coming to pass.

    Modern industrial civilization is less than a blink of the eye in the earth's history, yet many people seem to think this is all their has ever been and all there ever will be. Humans seem to have an evolutionary handicap toward shortsightedness.

    http://www.amazon.com/Limits-Growth-Donella-H-Mead...

    Any movement dedicated to TRUTH, must be well aware of these truths and they must be primary in an integrated understanding our situation.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  4. NicholasLevis
    Member

    You just identified the great blind spot of historical study in general: the reality that our lives happen in generations, the generation is the unit of history, no one gets to live for more than three to five generations, and each individual goes through the whole process of becoming and understanding from the beginning. Yet history talks about constructs like countries and traditions and developments over centuries. Our short-lived institutions seem as eternal as the biological processes of the planet, we really live in atomic-sized and blind experience bubbles within the universe around us. And then we have all these tricks we play on each other to substitute for an attempted understanding of that universe with convenient, psychologically rewarding myths, like religions and ideologies and teensy little value systems that assign rewards and status in often blind, arbitrary fashion.

    But wisdom is still possible, and some things are really simple. We're repeating linear irreversible processes at an increasing frequency on the thin living surface of a circular planet. It runs out.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  5. truthmod
    Administrator

    Being keenly aware that things could (and will) be drastically different tomorrow (or in 5, 20, 50, 100 years...) is not good for business (nor likewise, for one's ability to socially integrate into a system that predicates itself on stability and predictability).

    The ability to imagine the world differently, along with the realization that you actually have the power to change it is what the controlling forces most fear.

    Posted 16 years ago #

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