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  1. truthmod
    Administrator

    http://www.boycottmadeinchina.org/en/boycott_hub/a...

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/a...

    Chinese paramilitary police have killed eight people after opening fire on several hundred Tibetan monks and villagers in bloody violence that will fuel human rights protests as London prepares to host its leg of the Olympic torch relay this weekend.

    Witnesses said the clash – in which dozens were wounded – erupted late last night after a government inspection team entered a monastery in the Chinese province of Sichuan trying to confiscate pictures of the Dalai Lama.

    Officials searched the room of every monk in the Donggu monastery, a sprawling 15th century edifice in Ganzi, southwestern Sichuan, confiscating all mobile phones as well as the pictures.

    When the inspectors tore up the photographs and threw them on the floor, a 74-year-old monk, identified as Cicheng Danzeng, tried to stop an act seen as a desecration by Tibetans who revere the Dalai Lama as their god king.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  2. truthmod
    Administrator

    The 9/11 TM has some things to learn from the passion and dedication of these activists.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-588410603...

    http://video.google.com/url?docid=4016441432073030...

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSPEK6593...

    Posted 16 years ago #
  3. NicholasLevis
    Member

    Contrarian challenge (thinking exercise): Any action in the United States (or especially: by Americans) that focuses primarily on the atrocities of other countries serves to distract from the criminal U.S. regime at home and especially its own atrocities abroad, which Americans are most in the position to affect, and which objectively pose the greatest threat to peace and the future of humanity.

    Possible examples for discussion: historically, the focus on the real evil of the Saddam regime in Iraq (in the corporate media, cleansed of the American involvement); right now, Darfur and Tibet as opposed to U.S. actions in Iraq or Colombia.

    Complicating factors: Darfur and Tibet both about China, or you wouldn't be hearing about them in US/UK corporate media. China in bizarre systemic symbiosis with U.S., finances U.S. deficit and provides its surplus product (made at slave factories built with Western capital) for nothing more than air-dollars, to fill the shelves of Walmart.

    That being said: Yes, we have much to learn from the passion and dedication of the Tibetan activists.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  4. truthmod
    Administrator

    Agreed. I have been thinking about this also. US is as bad or worse than China in a lot of ways:

    -Open use of torture

    -Over 1 million killed in Iraq / Imperialistic history and War on Terror

    -Main purveyor of suicidal capitalist consumerism

    -Etc, etc...

    I was wondering if similar protests would be held if the olympics were held in the US this year...

    We should probably be boycotting the US too.

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    Posted 16 years ago #
  5. jan
    Member

    Sudden focus by the US media on China's human rights issues is especially galling and transparent.

    Thanks for clarifying other factors that are sometimes confusing.

    What might be China's reactions if/when the US criminals attack Iran?

    Posted 16 years ago #
  6. NicholasLevis
    Member

    I've thought about it some more and wish to clarify:

    The Tibetans and their supporters are entirely in the right in their cause and in their determination to use every means available to them. For its own reasons the US/UK propaganda machinery effectively offers them a platform, and they have every right to exploit it.

    My comments above apply to BBC/CNN/ETC., who would never give any coverage, positive or otherwise, to a dozen people protesting on the street against a US/UK atrocity (unless they set off a bomb). Also, to the earnest liberals of the West who use Darfur or Tibet or Zimbabwe to earn a pat on the back from the US/UK media, and who thus avoid the discomforting task of protesting their own governments' crimes (which they might actually affect). In the end, all the talk is about a "genocide" in Darfur (a civil war between proxies backed by the U.S. and China) and a "civil war" in Iraq (a US/UK genocide).

    The Chinese treatment of Tibet is a global outrage and by strict definition a genocide - the systematic and violent attempt to erase a culture, a history, an ethnicity, a religion. China is not currently resorting to the mass summary killings normally associated with the word genocide, but it has done so in the past, and a great many people have been murdered in the current crisis.

    With the exception of the central palace/temple complex, the entire old city of Lhasa was destroyed years ago and completely replaced by prefab concrete constructions - an enormous crime against the human cultural heritage. This was done for the sole reason of erasing Tibetan identity.

    So if you want to join in a protest for Tibet - is the torch coming to New York? - by all means don't think I was casting aspersions. Especially not on anyone who would be reading this board!

    Posted 16 years ago #
  7. NicholasLevis
    Member

    I do not believe the US will in the end attack Iran, the co-sponsor of the Iraqi puppet regime. Among the elites the consensus is clearly against that particular insanity. Then again, they too can be shocked and awed by a small faction, for example by a new staged terror event. In the end I don't see Brzezinski and the CFR, no matter how much they know, standing up and declaring, "April 31st* was an inside job!"**

    If the US attacks Iran, it may set off World War III, in part depending on the form of the attack. As we know, all the US really has left for an attack is millions of tons of bombs, and whatever exotic weapons they hope to test. These include the "small" nukes that Cheney and Rumsfeld so ached to employ against hard targets (they may indeed have done so in Afghanistan). It may also set off a Stalingrad for US forces in the Middle East. The aircraft carriers, the Gulf bases and obviously the ground troops in Iraq are all vulnerable.

    Short of revolution in the US (the opposite of popular fascist reaction seems more likely to me) one can't imagine a ceasefire, orderly withdrawal, apologies and tribunals to follow. If American casualties are high, the regime will raise the stakes and raise again until the world backs down in terror, or until it's World War III.

    Assuming anything is still standing after the resolution of the immediate hostilities, the new Cold War would follow. EU, Russia, China and pretty much everyone else would join in a front to contain the US. The dollar would fall to pennies on the euro. The US would enter Great Depression times three, probably retreat from its forward positions around the world and turn completely fascist at home. Don't bet on an election in 2008.

    This sucky horror scenario brought to you by Hubris and Halliburton International.


    • Yes, that's intentional! Reverse voodoo, okay?

    ** Then again, I did see a chastened Tucker Carlson last night, newly demoted to "2008 Elections Correspondant," pretend he thought the Iraq invasion was a mistake. Whore. The pretend part applies to the word "thought."

    Posted 16 years ago #
  8. NicholasLevis
    Member

    http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery04072008.html

    "Not You! You!!!" Tibet and Palestine

    By URI AVNERY

    "Hey! Take your hands off me! Not you! You!!!"--the voice of a young woman in the darkened cinema, an old joke.

    "Hey! Take your hands off Tibet!" the international chorus is crying out, "But not from Chechnya! Not from the Basque homeland! And certainly not from Palestine!" And that is not a joke.


    LIKE EVERYBODY else, I support the right of the Tibetan people to independence, or at least autonomy. Like everybody else, I condemn the actions of the Chinese government there. But unlike everybody else, I am not ready to join in the demonstrations.

    Why? Because I have an uneasy feeling that somebody is washing my brain, that what is going on is an exercise in hypocrisy.

    I don't mind a bit of manipulation. After all, it is not by accident that the riots started in Tibet on the eve of the Olympic Games in Beijing. That's alright. A people fighting for their freedom have the right to use any opportunity that presents itself to further their struggle.

    I support the Tibetans in spite of it being obvious that the Americans are exploiting the struggle for their own purposes. Clearly, the CIA has planned and organized the riots, and the American media are leading the world-wide campaign. It is a part of the hidden struggle between the US, the reigning super-power, and China, the rising super-power - a new version of the "Great Game" that was played in central Asia in the 19th century by the British Empire and Russia. Tibet is a token in this game.

    I am even ready to ignore the fact that the gentle Tibetans have carried out a murderous pogrom against innocent Chinese, killing women and men and burning homes and shops. Such detestable excesses do happen during a liberation struggle.

    No, what is really bugging me is the hypocrisy of the world media. They storm and thunder about Tibet. In thousands of editorials and talk-shows they heap curses and invective on the evil China. It seems as if the Tibetans are the only people on earth whose right to independence is being denied by brutal force, that if only Beijing would take its dirty hands off the saffron-robed monks, everything would be alright in this, the best of all possible worlds.


    THERE IS no doubt that the Tibetan people are entitled to rule their own country, to nurture their unique culture, to promote their religious institutions and to prevent foreign settlers from submerging them.

    But are not the Kurds in Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria entitled to the same? The inhabitants of Western Sahara, whose territory is occupied by Morocco? The Basques in Spain? The Corsicans off the coast of France? And the list is long.

    Why do the world's media adopt one independence struggle, but often cynically ignore another independence struggle? What makes the blood of one Tibetan redder than the blood of a thousand Africans in East Congo?

    Again and again I try to find a satisfactory answer to this enigma. In vain.

    Immanuel Kant demanded of us: "Act as if the principle by which you act were about to be turned into a universal law of nature." (Being a German philosopher, he expressed it in much more convoluted language.) Does the attitude towards the Tibetan problem conform to this rule? Does it reflect our attitude towards the struggle for independence of all other oppressed peoples?

    Not at all.


    WHAT, THEN, causes the international media to discriminate between the various liberation struggles that are going on throughout the world?

    Here are some of the relevant considerations:

    • Do the people seeking independence have an especially exotic culture?

    • Are they an attractive people, i.e. "sexy" in the view of the media?

    • Is the struggle headed by a charismatic personality who is liked by the media?

    • It the oppressing government disliked by the media?

    • Does the oppressing government belong to the pro-American camp? This is an important factor, since the United States dominates a large part of the international media, and its news agencies and TV networks largely define the agenda and the terminology of the news coverage.

    • Are economic interests involved in the conflict?

    • Does the oppressed people have gifted spokespersons, who are able to attract attention and manipulate the media?


    FROM THESE points of view, there is nobody like the Tibetans. They enjoy ideal conditions.

    Fringed by the Himalayas, they are located in one of the most beautiful landscapes on earth. For centuries, just to get there was an adventure. Their unique religion arouses curiosity and sympathy. Its non-violence is very attractive and elastic enough to cover even the ugliest atrocities, like the recent pogrom. The exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, is a romantic figure, a media rock-star. The Chinese regime is hated by many - by capitalists because it is a Communist dictatorship, by Communists because it has become capitalist. It promotes a crass and ugly materialism, the very opposite of the spiritual Buddhist monks, who spend their time in prayer and meditation.

    When China builds a railway to the Tibetan capital over a thousand inhospitable kilometers, the West does not admire the engineering feat, but sees (quite rightly) an iron monster that brings hundreds of thousands of Han-Chinese settlers to the occupied territory.

    And of course, China is a rising power, whose economic success threatens America's hegemony in the world. A large part of the ailing American economy already belongs directly or indirectly to China. The huge American Empire is sinking hopelessly into debt, and China may soon be the biggest lender. American manufacturing industry is moving to China, taking millions of jobs with it.

    Compared to these factors, what have the Basques, for example, to offer? Like the Tibetans, they inhabit a contiguous territory, most of it in Spain, some of it in France. They, too, are an ancient people with their own language and culture. But these are not exotic and do not attract special notice. No prayer wheels. No robed monks.

    The Basques do not have a romantic leader, like Nelson Mandela or the Dalai Lama. The Spanish state, which arose from the ruins of Franco's detested dictatorship, enjoys great popularity around the world. Spain belongs to the European Union, which is more or less in the American camp, sometimes more, sometimes less.

    The armed struggle of the Basque underground is abhorred by many and is considered "terrorism", especially after Spain has accorded the Basques a far-reaching autonomy. In these circumstances, the Basques have no chance at all of gaining world support for independence.

    The Chechnyans should have been in a better position. They, too, are a separate people, who have for a long time been oppressed by the Czars of the Russian Empire, including Stalin and Putin. But alas, they are Muslims - and in the Western world, Islamophobia now occupies the place that had for centuries been reserved for anti-Semitism. Islam has turned into a synonym for terrorism, it is seen as a religion of blood and murder. Soon it will be revealed that Muslims slaughter Christian children and use their blood for baking Pitta. (In reality it is, of course, the religion of dozens of vastly different peoples, from Indonesia to Morocco and from Kosova to Zanzibar.

    The US does not fear Moscow as it fears Beijing. Unlike China, Russia does not look like a country that could dominate the 21st century. The West has no interest in renewing the Cold War, as it has in renewing the Crusades against Islam. The poor Chechnyans, who have no charismatic leader or outstanding spokespersons, have been banished from the headlines. For all the world cares, Putin can hit them as much as he wants, kill thousands and obliterate whole towns.

    That does not prevent Putin from supporting the demands of Abkhazia and South Ossetia for separation from Georgia, a country which infuriates Russia.


    IF IMMANUEL KANT knew what's going on in Kosova, he would be scratching his head.

    The province demanded its independence from Serbia, and I, for one, supported that with all my heart. This is a separate people, with a different culture (Albanian) and its own religion (Islam). After the popular Serbian leader, Slobodan Milosevic, tried to drive them out of their country, the world rose and provided moral and material support for their struggle for independence.

    The Albanian Kosovars make up 90% of the citizens of the new state, which has a population of two million. The other 10% are Serbs, who want no part of the new Kosova. They want the areas they live in to be annexed to Serbia. According to Kant's maxim, are they entitled to this?

    I would propose a pragmatic moral principle: Every population that inhabits a defined territory and has a clear national character is entitled to independence. A state that wants to keep such a population must see to it that they feel comfortable, that they receive their full rights, enjoy equality and have an autonomy that satisfies their aspirations. In short: that they have no reason to desire separation.

    That applies to the French in Canada, the Scots in Britain, the Kurds in Turkey and elsewhere, the various ethnic groups in Africa, the indigenous peoples in Latin America, the Tamils in Sri Lanka and many others. Each has a right to choose between full equality, autonomy and independence.


    THIS LEADS us, of course, to the Palestinian issue.

    In the competition for the sympathy of the world media, the Palestinians are unlucky. According to all the objective standards, they have a right to full independence, exactly like the Tibetans. They inhabit a defined territory, they are a specific nation, a clear border exists between them and Israel. One must really have a crooked mind to deny these facts.

    But the Palestinians are suffering from several cruel strokes of fate: The people that oppress them claim for themselves the crown of ultimate victimhood. The whole world sympathizes with the Israelis because the Jews were the victims of the most horrific crime of the Western world. That creates a strange situation: the oppressor is more popular than the victim. Anyone who supports the Palestinians is automatically suspected of anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial.

    Also, the great majority of the Palestinians are Muslims (nobody pays attention to the Palestinian Christians). Since Islam arouses fear and abhorrence in the West, the Palestinian struggle has automatically become a part of that shapeless, sinister threat, "international terrorism". And since the murders of Yasser Arafat and Sheik Ahmed Yassin, the Palestinians have no particularly impressive leader - neither in Fatah nor in Hamas.

    The world media are shedding tears for the Tibetan people, whose land is taken from them by Chinese settlers. Who cares about the Palestinians, whose land is taken from them by our settlers?

    In the world-wide tumult about Tibet, the Israeli spokespersons compare themselves - strange as it sounds - to the poor Tibetans, not to the evil Chinese. Many think this quite logical.

    If Kant were dug up tomorrow and asked about the Palestinians, he would probably answer: "Give them what you think should be given to everybody, and don't wake me up again to ask silly questions."

    Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom. He is o a contributor to CounterPunch's book The Politics of Anti-Semitism.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  9. Danse
    Member

    Criticizing China for human rights abuses is like criticizing O.J. Simpson for murder. It's easy. But why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Here's some perspective:

    Human Rights in the US China's Report No Cariacture

    By DAVE LINDORFF

    The New York Times was almost apoplectic Sunday over a human rights "report card" issued by China's Foreign Affairs Department on the United States.

    That report, a response to the annual report on China's human rights situation issued by the U.S. State Department, called attention to a number of areas where the U.S. is in violation of universally accepted norms of behavior.

    Having lived for two years in China ­ a fascist-style military dictatorship where the law is simply another tool of repression for those in authority, and where people are routinely locked up, tortured, deprived of their livelihood and even their lives for such transgressions as posting comments on a website, protesting a corrupt boss or conducting prayer services in a private home, and a place where perceptions of America can be pretty bizarre--I was expecting something comic after reading in the Times that the report on the U.S. "approaches caricature."

    In fact, putting aside whom it was doing the talking, the report was pretty damned accurate, and devastating.

    American society is characterized by rampant violent crimes, severe infringement of people's rights by law enforcement departments and lack of guarantee of the right to life, liberty and security, the Chinese report said, noting that in addition to the threats from uniformed law enforcement, some 31,000 Americans were killed by firearms. The report also noted America's record two million prison inmates, and the fact that three times that many are on parole or probation.

    Caricature? Hardly. The number of people being jailed in the U.S. is a national scandal, particularly considering the percentage who are black and Latino, and the fact that most are there for non-violent offenses. And no surprise there: Nearly every time I am on the road and see a car pulled over by a trooper, I discover that the driver is black. Unless blacks are uniquely prone to speeding, there is an epidemic of racial profiling.

    American democracy is manipulated by the rich and malpractice is common, the report continues, noting that elections in the U.S. are "in fact a contest of money." Really. Can anyone honestly call this a caricature? I remember when I was teaching a group of journalism graduate students in Shanghai, I received my mail ballot from home, which at the time was a small town in upstate New York. I was happy to receive it because I wanted to show it to my class, where the students were anxious to see first-hand how American democracy works. Imagine my chagrin when I opened the envelope and saw that the ballot was composed entirely of single candidates for each post. Republicans so dominated the upstate region that no one bothered to run against them for any town or county post! "These look just like our ballots!" the students said in amazement. Nor in our current red state/blue state polity, are things much different across most of the country, where campaign funding laws, or the lack thereof, make incumbency virtually a guarantee of re-election.

    In the area of economic rights, the Chinese report said poverty, hunger and homelessness "haunt the world's richest country." Here I'd have to disagree. While the figure they used (from the U.S. Census Bureau-36 million living in poverty-is correct, it is hardly a condition that "haunts" the majority living above the poverty line, since our derelict corporate media don't cover the poverty beat, and our economically segregated communities make it easy for people to ignore the suffering in the midst of plenty. Still, noting that a sixth of the nation lives in poverty is no caricature. It's a fact.

    Racial discrimination? The report says it permeates every aspect of society, while the new post 9-11 homeland security regulations especially target ethnic minorities, foreigners and immigrants. Does anyone want to challenge the accuracy of that depiction?

    As for the rights of women and children, the report called attention to the deplorable rate of rapes and sexual abuse, with some 400,000 children forced into prostitution and sexual abuse. This ugly reality, while also true for China, cannot be brushed aside here.

    Finally the Chinese report addressed the abuse of foreigners by U.S. authorities, noting the scandalous violations of the rights of prisoners of war, the history of invasions and unprovoked military assaults on other nations, and the estimated 100,000 civilian deaths in Iraq.

    For my part, I was surprised the Chinese report didn't go further. It could have mentioned, for example:

    • the failure of the U.S. to abide by international law in allowing foreigners arrested on serious criminal charges in the U.S., including murder, to contact their embassies;

    • the shameful inadequacy of funding for schools in poor communities, the dumping of toxic waste and the siting of pollution-causing power plants in low-income communities; and

    • the theft of private property through improper use of eminent domain and draconian drug laws, as well as other abuses.

    China is a prime human rights offender, but that should not prevent us from looking honestly into the mirror that it has held up to our own society and government.

    If anything is a caricature, it is the article on the Chinese report, in which The Times appears as a caricature of real independent journalism.

    Dave Lindorff is the author of Killing Time: an Investigation into the Death Row Case of Mumia Abu-Jamal. His new book of CounterPunch columns titled "This Can't be Happening!" is published by Common Courage Press. Information about both books and other work by Lindorff can be found at www.thiscantbehappening.net.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  10. truthmod
    Administrator

    China can play that game too:

    Nine monks arrested for Tibet bombing: report
    http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Nine_monks_ar...

    Chinese officials have said that groups campaigning for independence in Tibet have joined Muslim Uighurs fighting for an independent "East Turkestan" in Xinjiang, northwest China.

    A mainland-backed paper in Hong Kong reported this week that Tibetan and Uighur forces were also collaborating with al Qaeda to target the Olympic Games in Beijing in August.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  11. christs4sale
    Administrator

    Is the CIA behind the China-bashing Olympics protests?

    http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&...

    Posted 16 years ago #
  12. lana
    Member

    Boycott China because I dont think they sell "Carbon Credits" they give us tainted animal food and poison toys. I think we should start with our own country and not worry about others. Will the American Indians be paid back with more than casinos? Does every black person have 40 achres and a mule? WOW and we worry about China. So do we now go after countries that degrade women or that have forced marriages? Where does it end people?

    Posted 16 years ago #
  13. truthmod
    Administrator

    Pretty bold statements in the China / CIA article. Not that they couldn't be true...

    According to many reports, the Dalai Lama himself may be a long-time CIA asset. See The Role of the CIA behind the Dalai Lama's holy cloak and The Tibet Card.


    The “Save Tibet,” “Save Darfur,” and “Help Falun Gong” movements are as deceptive as the “war on terrorism.” The “causes” are controlled by Anglo-American intelligence apparatuses and/or co-opted by them, in order to provide the masses with the propaganda justification for wars and intervention, and resource conquest.

    The CIA’s “mighty Wurlitzer” has never been more deafening, and the masses are dancing to its tune.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  14. christs4sale
    Administrator

    http://members.aol.com/bblum6/aer56.htm

    William Blum's article on China and the Olympics.

    Posted 16 years ago #

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