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Is this a first? Outed as a "Witch" . . . (15 posts)

  1. Kim
    Member

    ;-)

    Seriously guys, I'm sitting here at my computer with my first cup of coffee at 8am with tears of laughter rolling down my cheeks. Is this a first, or what? I mean, who else can claim the honour of something this exotic? I'm quite proud. No run-of-the-mill "ASIO Agent" for me, nooooo indeed . . . I get the ultimate accolade. Bring on the ducking stool . . . .

    John Bursill of Truth Action Australia sent me this info this morning, re an individual I had the honour of removing from the Australian Truth Action Forum for abuse. Anyway, read on, it might cheer up your morning like it did mine . . .

    From John:

    Here is what he posted at www.infowars.com.au under "911 was an inside job"


    John and All, Please understand Kim is a Witch. http://www.kimspages.org/blog.htm I am working o­n proving she is not o­nly a nutter but a ASIO stooge or an agent. John at best the woman is a fool and as Nige said "I feel for you" Lots more to come And John I'm not laughing at all...This is pathetic... I'll explain all later.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  2. truthmod
    Administrator

    Those good Christians at infowars might not take it so lightly. Especially when you're promoting the satanic globalist hoax of man-made global warming.

    Seriously though, who really are the "nutters?"

    Posted 16 years ago #
  3. Kim
    Member

    Good points. Glad I'm the other side of a very large ocean . . . ;-)

    Posted 16 years ago #
  4. JennySparks
    Member

    I knew something was dodgy about that Kim and her green environmental shtick...

    LMAO! Really--I don't have tears yet, but I'm close!!!

    What a riot! "Kim is a witch" as if anyone cares about that sort of thing these days! It's simple--freedom of religion means ALL religions. So they can just shut it.

    Really, I don't know what they're playing at--there are loads of constructional party wankers who will back down as soon as they're challenged on the freedom of religion bit. My best guess is they're trying drag you out of the "broom closet" and hope you'll loose effectiveness and credibility. Which is really a laugh because 911 Truth has LOADS of pagans/witches in it. And somehow they're able to get along fine with the Christian majority.

    Nice try gits, but you loose again!

    Still laughing over here...;-)

    Posted 16 years ago #
  5. Kim
    Member

    Thought that might cheer up your morning Jenny, good observations too . . . ;-)

    Posted 16 years ago #
  6. Arabesque
    Member

    I knew something was dodgy about that Kim and her green environmental shtick...

    LMAO! Really--I don't have tears yet, but I'm close!!!

    Sorry Kim, but Jenny's beat you to it. She's been immortalized/outed in a cartoon as a witch...

    http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/barlet.jpg http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/09/kennebunk...

    Posted 16 years ago #
  7. Kim
    Member

    Bugger . . . it's not a first . . . ;-)

    Posted 16 years ago #
  8. JennySparks
    Member

    Don't let it get you down--they'll have a go at anyone. There's probably someone who predates me out there what's been driven off...

    Rereading the infowars thread, I don't know if I personally would have thought that sig required moderation. But I understand you're trying to be as fair as possible and stick the the principles you've outlined, and it's going to take awhile to get a feel of how to sort things out when they're on the line. There's always a learning curve, and it shouldn't be a burning offense. ;-)

    And why couldn't whatis(forgotten the name) have just replied in the same polite tone: "Well, I don't agree-- it's a quote from so and so see, maybe I could have made that clearer" etc... It's almost like someone is looking for a reason.

    Personally, I'd probably have left it out as long as they explained themselves civilly.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  9. Kim
    Member

    Yeah - see your point. It's just that I thought it wasn't a good idea to allow blanket insults at whole groups of people, because if you allow it towards one group, how do you (with integrity), stop it re others? I mean, if he had posted exactly the same thing, but inserted "Jew," "Negro," "Arab," or "Democrat" (for instance), instead of "Republican" I think the problem would have been a lot clearer. I was just trying to be as fair as possible. Then of course, you run into the problem of gratuitously pissing off whole groups of people, which I guess you'd agree (I'm sure), is a big mistake . . .

    He didn't get banned for his signature, but for his extremely snotty refusal to do as he'd been very politely asked to do, and then posting reams of vitriol (now deleted). However, judging from this character's way of expressing himself, I guess he and I would have come into conflict sooner or later.

    You're also right about the "Learning curve," and I'd also add "Tight Rope." I aim to mediate any decisions I do make via being as friendly, warm and polite as I possibly can (obviously didn't work in this case), and by explaining my reasoning, and by pointing to the guidelines. You're also right that he didn't exactly plead his case with any degree of tact of skill (an understatment), in which case we might have reached a fair compromise . . . .

    Anyway, have to go now, got to feed my black cat and make sure the cauldron isn't boiling over . . . ;-)

    Posted 16 years ago #
  10. JennySparks
    Member
  11. Kim
    Member

    Oh, that's easy - I'll take the third option . . . ;-) Thanks for posting them.

    The Dark Goddess is FAR more interesting . . . though I wouldn't call her "Bad," just someone you do NOT want to mess with . . . Here's some prose that sums her up (at least I think so), and reaches to the heart of things . . .

    http://www.pathcom.com/~newmoon/darkgds.htm

    Posted 16 years ago #
  12. Danse
    Member

    Here is testimony on both sides of the prison walls on some meanings of torture in the U.S.A. today. She writes accusingly in a poem called "The Tortured,"

    "Indifferent citizens don't care to look behind prisoner masks;
    The tortured would stare back askant."
    

    She has been behind the mask, yet looks at us with humanity and knowledge. She has a long poem called "Revelation" against the Puritanical strain of American imperialism. It refers to a cauterized memory:

    "do you encounter the touch of the torch on the skin?"
    
    "they singe the air with sanctimony,
    light bonfires beneath the feet of non-conformity."
    

    She refers to a rarely mentioned, still-silenced, profound trauma on this civilization ­ the burning of the witches.

    Published the same month, April 2004, that Fallujah first turned back the American onslaught and that the photographs of American tortures in Abu Ghraib prison were displayed to the world, Silvia Federici's book, Caliban and the Witch, although describing a time and place remote from the lawless atrocities in Mesopotamia, being as it is a study of the witch-hunt, of medieval heretical movements, and of European mechanical and materialist philosophy from the 'Age of Reason,' nevertheless, it is essential for understanding either. At the same time, the paradox of the hideous pun of the Structural Adjustment Program and the Special Access Program as the SAP, or the grotesque contradiction found between chapter 39 of Magna Carta and order 39 of the Iraq occupation are explicated.

    Nothing can so clearly help us understand the torture and the project of neo-liberalism as this, for Federici describes a foundational process creating the structural conditions for the existence of capitalism. This is the fundamental relationship of capitalist accumulation, or (as it is called in decades of technical literature) 'primitive accumulation.' This mystery perplexed (however coyly) Adam Smith. It was the 'original sin' of the political economists, and for Karl Marx it was written in "letters of blood and fire."

    The birth of the proletariat required war against women. This was the witch-hunt when tens of thousands of women in Europe were tortured and burnt at the stake, in massive state-sponsored terror against the European peasantry destroying communal relations and communal property. It was coeval with the enclosures of the land, the destruction of popular culture, the genocide in the New World, and the start of the African slave trade. The 16th century price inflation, the 17th century crisis, the centralized state, the transition to capitalism, the Age of Reason ­ come to life, if the blood-curdling cries at the stake, the crackling of kindling as the faggots suddenly catch fire, the clanging of iron shackles of the imprisoned vagabonds, or the spine-shivering abstractions of the mechanical philosophies can indeed be called "life."

    Federici explains why the age of plunder required the patriarchy of the wage. Gender became not only a biological condition or cultural reality but a determining specification of class relations. The devaluation of reproductive labor inevitably devalues its product, labor power. The burning of the witches and the vivisection of the body enforced a new sexual pact, the conjuratio of unpaid labor. It was essential to capitalist work-discipline. This is what Marx called the alienation of the body, what Max Weber called the reform of the body, what Norman O. Brown called the repression of the body, and what Foucault calls the discipline of the body. Yet, these social theorists of deep modernization overlooked the witch-hunt!

    The historic demonization of women is on the face of page after page in profuse and magnificent illustration. The book contains many and beautiful illustrations, such as Vegetable Man, the Land of Cockaigne, the Fountain of Youth, and the Witch's Herbary. It contains powerful images, many are woodcuts (one of the first uses of the printing press). One shows witches conjuring a rain shower, others show a 15th century brothel, Dürer's depiction of the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the common land, Jacques Callot's Horrors of War, Dürer's woman's bath-house, The Parliament of Women, and the Anabaptist's communistic sharing of goods.

    If one image from Abu Ghraib gave us a crucifixion, another as surely gave us a pyramid: these fundamental forms of graphic design, known to every art student. Hans Grien's Witches Sabbath (1510) or the title page of Andreas Vasalius' De Humani Corporis Fabrica (1543). All its magic has gone: the human body has become a factory, or a mechanism of circulating blood, connecting tissues, little cells, obedient to commands of science. The mechanical body is depicted: to crown all, the hideous gathering in a Corinthian-style rotunda of the Renaissance mob of bourgeois at the anatomical theater where a pregnant woman's corpse lies naked in the middle, on a table, her womb gashed open as the assembly leers, gazes, peers, points, spies, shoves, elbows each other, scrutinizes, assesses.

    Product of intense debates within the international women's movement, with a perspective on European history made possible by three years' residence in the mid-80s in Nigeria where a campaign of miscogyny accompanied the attack on communal lands under the direction of the 'structural adjustment plan' enabled her to understand the adjusting structures of European capitalism at its violent beginnings. Drawing on the non-conformity of British social history, on the lucid periodization of French scholarship, on Mediterranean openness to Asia and Africa, on the cultural endurance of indigenous people of the Americas, on the power of the women of west Africa, her scope is authentic and broad, from the Saracens in the east to the Incas in the west, with Europe in the north and the Caribbean in the south. Its zones of interest are west Africa, England, France, Germany, Mediterranean, Yucatan, Oaxaca, eastern Europe, and the Caribbean. The global perspective is one of a multiplicity of locales: not an envisioned totality but a manifold of villages, neighborhoods, common lands.

    In the neo-liberal era of postmodern shadows the proletariat is written out of history, so the labors of the historian must recover even its existential substance. Thus, reproduction and the gender specification of the class relationship, is fully and historically argued. Stating horrifying truths of terrorism Silvia Federici has written a book truly of our times. Written in an uncompromising prose, addressed to scholars, young people of the anti-globalization movement, accessible to students, interesting to scholars, challenging to the intellectual. It engages in up-front arguments with radical feminists, Marxist socialists, as well as academic Foucauldians.

    Neither compromising nor condescending, her book expresses an unfailing generosity of spirit and the dignity of a planetary scholar. As a passionate work of memory recovered, it is an anvil. As a lucid exposition of terror against the human body, it is a hammer. Brought together, they may be used to forge humanity's agenda.

    It is a book of remembrance of a trauma burned into the body of Europe leaving a scar of loss comparable to those once caused by famine, slaughter, and enslavement. Caliban is proletarian, drawing water and fetching wood, his mother was a witch. Prospero calls him a thing of darkness. If so, what is she? The whiting out from the page of history inevitably leaves behind such a darkness. Prospero acknowledged Caliban ("this thing of darkness I acknowlege mine") in contrast to Bush, Cheney, Rumfield, Condeelza-Rice, and the other pipsqueaks and bull-roarers in that chain of command some of whose links are described by Seymour Herst.

    The women of medieval Europe played a major role in the heretical movements; the women of medieval Europe found gender integration in the cooperative labors of the commons which, indeed, depended on them. A true women's movement in the popular culture was happily described by Chaucer which often urst out in peasant revolt. John Ball repeated "now is the time" and the serfs confidently announced "we'll have our will in the woods, the waters, and the meadows." Thomas Müntzer, the communist leader of the German Peasant's Revolt of 1525, said simply, "all the world needs a jolt." This initiated the vicious period when the body was transformed from a repository of knowledge, wisdom, magic, and power to a work-machine requiring both terror and philosophy. The body under the terror of Rationalism is vivisected under a new sexual pact, the conjuratio of unpaid labor. The maid, the prostitute, and the housewife became the exclusive labors of women, replacing the healer, the craftsperson, the heretic, the herbalist, the sage, the commoner, the old, the naturalist, the obeah woman, the single, the ill-reputed, the freely-spoken, the finder of lost property, the lusty or 'free woman,' the obeah, the midwife.

    Land expropriations, the lengthening of social distance, the breakdown of collective relations, all the metaphysical underpinnings of social order, the class struggle reduced to the 'evil eye,' sexuality reduced to the functional production of labor power, contraception, abortion were outlawed by the Bull of Innocent VIII (1484), the obliteration of the enchanted world where the stars and the herbs were connected in correspondences that were friendly, if occult, where luck, the unknown, and accident impeded the progress of "scientific rationalization," anatomy, vivisection, destruction, expropriation, exploitation.

    She writes "just as enclosures expropriated the peasantry from the communal land, so the witch-hunt expropriated women from their bodies, which were thus 'liberated' from any impediment preventing them to function as machines for the production of labor."

    Were there any exceptions? Did the sons, brothers, uncles, fathers, did the men of the community come to the defense of the women? Sadly, shamefully, there is but a single exception to the otherwise universal answer: in 1609 when the Basque fishermen of St. Jean de Luz heard that the women were being stripped and stabbed for witches, they cut short their Atlantic cod campaign and sailed back home and taking clubs in hand they liberated a convoy of witches being carted to the stake.

    What we learn is the systematic, protracted, and global practice of torture. It is systematic in the sense that in the past church and state conspired to exercise it while state theorists developed philosophy for it, such as Jean Bodin ("We must spread terror among some by punishing many"), René Descartes ("I am not this body"), and Thomas Hobbes ("for the laws of nature, as justice, equity, mercy, and, in sum, doing to others as we would be done to, of themselves, without the terror of some power to cause them to be observed, are contrary to our natural passions"). It was protracted in the sense that it was not shock therapy based on the blitzkrieg, or sudden 'structural adjustment plan,' but an intermittent campaign of approximately two centuries which ebbed or flowed with prices. It was coeval with the European Renaissance, high and low, north and south. Finally, it was global in the sense that the degradation of women accomplished by means of terror of the body belonged to the same epoch as the genocide of indigenous people in America and the commencement of the African slave trade. "It was here that the scientific use of torture was born, for blood and torture were necessary to 'breed an animal' capable of regular, homogeneous, and uniform behavior, indelibly marked with the memory of the new rules."

    Such beginnings are never completed. This is why "the sanctity of marriage" was a decisive electoral issue and the tortures of Abu Ghraib were not. The policing of the woman's body and the torturing of labor-power: two means of creating labor power. The neo-liberal project requires a policy of social reproduction. The body becomes a site of resistance as shown by the "naked protests" of the women of the Niger river delta in the summer of 2003 which virtually stopped the flow of petroleum.

    Capitalist work-discipline requires the mechanistic philosophy, it requires the enclosures and mapping of the world from the neighborhood to the GPS, it requires the tick tick ticking of the clock, the squared-out grid of the calendar of our days; it prohibits nakedness and public bathing; it forbids games of chance and games on the open field; it requires a belief in work, an ideology of work, a creed in work, and salvation through work. Labor power becomes self-managed. From signifying a work-stoppage, the phrase 'cakes and ale' became the gateway to consumerism. "We can see that the human body and not the steam engine, and not even the clock, was the first machine developed by capitalism." The acquisitive, pure, trained, punctual, chaste, producing, and consuming body ­ the "free owner" of "labor power" - to Marx appears as a gift of nature. Bechtel, Halliburton, and their contracted employees know otherwise. Shock therapy is applied to Iraq.

    Historians of torture as practiced in England have limited their conception of it to a method of discovery, or of examination of witnesses; they call it 'interrogation under duress.' This however misconstrues its function which is not a misguided methodology of investigation; it is part of a policy to terrorize and to create a new type of human being. It is inherent in both the project of expropriation and the process of exploitation. From the marsh Arabs and the desert tribes: modern labor power is created by war, religion, and torture. Migration, diaspora, criminalization, pauperization result. The infliction of pain continues in several disciplining contexts: army, navy, imperial, Ireland, man and wife, parent and child, teacher and pupil, master and servant well into the 20th century.

    We cannot describe a 'moment of torture' that is exclusive to the expropriations of the period of primitive accumulation which then disappears that when exploitation is routinized in the factory, because the factory itself is a habitat of pain, sleeplessness, and stress. The expansion of the scutching mills in Ireland with the development of the linen industry took women, sons and daughters of small farmers and fed them into the rollers of these mills. At one mill (out of 1,800) in Kildinan, near Cork, between 1852 and 1856 six fatal accidents and sixty mutilations. Dr White, surgeon for factories at Downpatrick, found a vast sacrifice of life and limb, "in many cases a quarter of the body is torn from the trunk" Dr. Simon in England wrote, "The life of myriads of workmen and workwomen is now uselessly tortured and shortened by the never-ending physical suffering that their mere occupation begets." Every part of the globe now has these stories. In Toledo, Ohio, we remember Larry Fuentes, mangled to death by a robot at the Daimler-Chrysler plant in May 2000.

    The theme of globalization is immediately paired with a second theme of violent terror. Marx exemplified the relationship in chapter 31. The changing scale of rewards paid by Massachusetts for the scalps of Indians is at the beginning of the chapter and the "Herod-like slaughter of the innocents" at the end with an extensive quotation from John Fielden's Curse of the Factory System (1836) about the cruelty, flogging, and torture of children conducted by the factory masters of the industrial Lancashire. Fielden notes that murder and tortures of the factory occur in "the beautiful and romantic valleys of Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, and Lancashire."

    Marx returns to a dominant figure in his history, the trope of sanguinary exploitation, or blood. Inspired by the writing of T.J. Dunning, a trade union activist among the bookbinders, Marx observes that capital comes into the world "dripping from head to toe from every pore, with blood and dirt." The dripping's name now is Fallujah. The mutilation of the human body and the globalization of commerce are two sides of capitalism, empire and torture.

    The regime prevailing in the U.S.A. is lawless, cruel, and inhuman, and though it will plead that its atrocities are 'accidents,' or that they should be exculpated having been motivated in 'good faith,' such excuses scarcely scratch the surface of its crimes, because its deepest purposes and strategic goals are the very primitive accumulation and endless dominion which characterized its beginnings in the Age of Plunder. 'Structural adjustment' and 'special access' are but new names for an old crime. That they were encouraged by order 39 must remind us of chapter 39 of the Charter of Liberty which must be dusted off from the shelf in the cabinet of quaint curios and become once again one of the politically potent potions for Sycorax and Iraq.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/linebaugh11272004.html

    Posted 16 years ago #
  13. Kim
    Member

    Wow, that gave me goosebumps. Thankyou so much for posting it. I also found the whole poem you refer to, here:

    http://www.freedomarchives.org/wildpoppies/revelat...

    I'm also beginning to think it's no accident John Bursill (who founded Truth Action in Australia), is of Aboriginal heritage - rather, I see it as something of deep synchronicity. His Father, Les Bursill, an Aboriginal elder of the Dharawal, gave a "Welcome to Country" at the start of the Sydney conference, in his own laguage. Here it is, scroll down to page 2:

    http://www.communitybuilders.nsw.gov.au/download/D...

    And here's some background on the Dharawal:

    http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/barani/themes/t...

    Personally, I live in the Yugambeh Aboriginal region, near Jimboomba (you'll see it named on the map too):

    http://www.yugambeh.com/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=...

    . . . which is about an hours drive south of Brisbane city centre, the red dot on the map here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisbane

    And it's also very strange (synchronistic?), that before I even had a clue John was Aboriginal, I had a dream where I was at the Sydney Conference with Aunty Ruby Rose (Yugambeh elder), and we were discussing the deep roots of Sept 11th, and how it connected with centuries of oppression and viciousness - and further, there were some native Americans there, and they were involved in some kind of powerful healing ceremony. So I was blown away when, after this dream, I discovered John's roots, and the fact his Dad was giving a "Welcome to Country."

    Further, I asked Aunty Ruby Rose to come to Sydney with me, but she couldn't make it - but in her email back to me, she specifically asked me to take the spirit of women and Yugambeh with me when I went . . . So now (maybe), this "Witch" thing, and your incredibly insightful posting above (which reminds me of things I knew, but had forgotten . . .), is also part of this evolving synchronicity. And I must admit (though the jerk would never realise it), I'm extremely honoured to be called a "Witch" . . .

    Further, I was shocked (an understatement), to find this drivel prominently linked from Alex Jones's website:

    http://www.unveilingthem.com/MessageOfHisKingdom.h...

    . . . which tells me everything I need to know about his outfit, thankyou.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  14. truthmover
    Administrator

    A sacred metaphor.

    Jesus on the cross. The witch on the stake. The black person hanging from the lynching tree.

    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/11232007/watch.h...

    Domination by the destruction of spirit. In each case the spirit of unity that underlies much of the human tendency toward religious belief. Unity of man and god. Unity of man and nature. Unity of man and his own brother. (To use 'man' in the oldschool way for a second.)

    People aren't allowed to control their own spirituality. A great deal of control has been created by moderating people's sense of connection to that feeling of unity. And as a result countless people have been killed in order to maintain the control that can be achieved in that moderation.

    I'm wondering what the person who called you a witch thought they were implying.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  15. Kim
    Member

    Thanks for posting that link, very interesting and absolutely spot on.

    I'm wondering what the person who called you a witch thought they were implying.

    Good point, I guess that it was "Shameful" and "Ridculous" - which (interestingly enough now I come to think about it), is the same "Framing" used to discredit 9/11 Truth, and the same "Framing" that Jenny was subject to in that stupid cartoon. Maybe this needs more thought, re turning this "Evil spell" (or "Evil frame"), back on itself . . . I'll think about it some more.

    Posted 16 years ago #

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